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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:56 am Post subject: new holland br 450 balers

Anyone have any experience with these? They seem reasonablely priced. Also advertise you only need 40hp to run. I'd guess since you can get away with less hp, your ground speed really slows? I only bale around 30 acres of hay and maybe some straw each year, so I don't need a high end baler, but something newer and reliable would be nice. Would be great if the old massey 175 could run it also. Pros/cons?

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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: new holland br 450 balers

I've haven't used any round baler, but intend to in a few years. Due to my PTO hp limits 47/50 max, will likely make a 4x4 bale, but have spent a goodly amount of time looking at everything from 3x4, 4x4 and 4x5 round balers.
From what I read, the 450U sounds like a pretty good baler. I think they may have had a few kinks when first out, but OK now. Other balers I've looked at are the MF/Hesston 745 (40 hp req'd) and am particularily intrigued with the Vermeer Rebel balers. Not sure about the MF or NH, but I believe he Vermeer does not require you to stop the PTO when ejecting the bale and the baler is IMHO heavily constructed.
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: new holland br 450 balers

Something you'd better figure out fast is that just because a manufacturer says a 40 hp tractor can run a baler doesn't mean a 40hpo tractor can run it anywhere near as good as a 55 or 65hp tractor. According to tests it only takes 27 ho to make a 5x5 bale in my old Hesston. I have used a 30hp Cockshutt to make bales with that baler and it's a real struggle. I've used 45hp and it's still a struggle- and I was making 4x5's with the 30 and 45 hp rigs, not 5x5. 55hp is pretty fair but when the bale gets to about 4 1/2 foot it's bogging pretty good. I think somewhere around 65-75hp would run it at speed up to a full bale.
My point is you need to take the advertisements with a grain of salt. Yeah, in perfect hay on a flat land field with the moisture just right you can probably get by with the minimum, but what are you going to do the other 99% of the time?
Bill, there are several makes of balers that don't require you to stop the pto. I don't 'need' to stop on my old Hesston, but it sure makes a nicer looking bale when I do. Talk to some people that have run whatever baler you are looking at before you buy. Vermeer has a 'love it/hate it' reputation.

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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: new holland br 450 balers

Agree with what your saying. The manufactures probably
inflate or in this case deflate their hp numbers.
About 10 miles down the road from me a guy bales with a MF
243 (47 PTO hp) and I believe he is using a 4x6 baler. That
MF really sounds like it's giving every ounce of power it's got -
LOL!
My 5055d is 47 PTO per JD and 50 PTO per the Nebraska
test. I'm not interested in overwhelming it with a round baler.
Probably a MF/Hesston 3x4 round bale would be ideal, but I
think a 4x4 would make for a better sale. I would consider a
4x5 baler if I could make a 4x4 bale with it and a 4x5 from time
to time if desired - knowing it would be a hard pull. Another
consideration for a 4x5 would be (if I could make a 4x4 bale)
having the capability should I ever get a higher hp tractor -
which I don't see happening anytime soon. So I think my JD
would handle a 4x4 round baler ok form a power standpoint
and not get pushed around to much by it either.
Thanks,
Bill

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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:21 am Post subject: Re: new holland br 450 balers

Know and fully understand what you're saying. I just figure
my 65hp massey would handle one of these. I rent a claas
66 from time to time now and I know for a fact it won't run
that. A 90hp tractor knows it's back there when it's getting
full.
Not really sure how they get there ratings. In my jd 1600 14ft
haybine manual, it says a 75hp tractor can handle it. Don't
think so. My 115hp tractor knows it's back there in heavy first
cutting hay. Doesn't bring it to it's knees by any means, but
makes it work enough that I wouldn't want much less on it.

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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:01 am Post subject: Re: new holland br 450 balers
I got my hp ratings from a web search, some Provincial agency out of Canada IIRC. They did a lot of tests, sort of like the Nebraska Tractor Tests. I lost the addy when the hard drive died in my computer. Sorry for my typos. Between arthritis and my rickety old key board a lot of intended 'P's' become 'O's'! Last edited by Bret4207 on Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:02 am; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:21 am Post subject: Re: new holland br 450 balers
I looked into one earlier this year and really couldn't find much bad about them. Most dealers seem to like and have been selling quite a few of them. Here's a link to short video of one being pulled by a Tc40.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg9uK1u1ZMo

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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:24 pm Post subject: deere 459 vs new holland 450
what do you all think is the best/? whatgood or bad experences have you had with eather?

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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450

Do not know any thing about the JD one but I have a friend who has a NH450 and it has been a pretty good machine. I know because it is had not been good I would have had to fix it more often. I did have to rebuild the wobble box a few years back that is common on them when they get a lot of hours on them. My friend is one of those people who could break a civil war cannon balls sitting in a swimming pool

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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450
talking round hay balers 459 jd vs 450 rb newholland

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:54 am Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450
Where is the wobble box on a round baler?

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:13 am Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450

JD rd balers are very good. Around where I live JD rd balers outnumber other brands by about 9 to 1. I've baled over 150,000 rd bales with JD rd balers with very few problems. I put 30,000 on a '01 467 that I traded for another '07 467 to get netwrap that now has around 26,000 bales on it.
On other discussion sites I read about net application problems on NH balers plus problems with sledge rollers/brgs. One thing is for sure one doesn't have a duckbill that applies netwrap to contend with on a JD rd baler

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:24 am Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450

i am looking at a deere 457 silage spcial good looking machine it has almost 11000 bales on it dealer is replacing wear plates and looking at the belts, would you see any problems with this baler? i lookes it over as good as i can all bearings sound ok , what else can i look for?? i need a back up that new new holland may put wrap on a bale or may not its driving me to drink,new holland wont admit theres any problems, dealer tried his best to fix it but hasnt helped much, let me know waht you think about the 457 thanks a bunch.

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:29 am Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450
I personally like the balers that have the capability of making 6' tall bales but if the 457 has the mega-wide pickup it should be fine if you only choose to make 5' tall bales. Has this baler baled any corn stalks?

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:10 am Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450

I had a New Holland BR750 net wrap baler and will never own a New Holland baler again. The pickup is fragile on them and just a little green along a tree line hay will plug them the net wrap was a constant battle to keep the duckbill adjusted just right the belts would cross on to each other when starting a bale and so on just multiple problems with a baler that only had 10,000 bales on it do your self a favor and get a Deere I thought the New Holland was a much better baler than it turned out to be.

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:30 am Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450
NH makes a 450 sickle bar mower which has one

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:02 am Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450
Well as I said I do not know the JD so I could only guess as to what you where asking since NH does make a 450 sickle bar mower

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:12 am Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450
hard to tell if its bales corn fodder it may have, hard to find a 4x6 baler around here i like them better to.

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450
those 450 cycle bar mowers are good machines i rebuilt one a coupel mounths ago, i should have said hay balers my fault sorrry.

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450

The one my friend has seem to be pretty good since I have only had to work on it a few times. One time I worked on it was when he got it and I rebuilt the bar and went to bolt on sections and replaced the guards as needed then a couple years latter I had to rebuild the wobble box area of it. A machine ahs to be pretty good to hold up to his abusive ways. I have told him listen to the machine and notice what it sounds like when it is working right and if you hear something odd stop and check and he say I cannot hear and I tell him bull you can hear me you can hear a machine also

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450
Ran a new holland 450 all summer for the dairy I was working other than the horrible design of the new holland twine arms and the poor pickup design that thing would eat hay

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: deere 459 vs new holland 450

I bought a 457SS last year twine no net wrap. Love it just drive and do what the monitor tells you to do. Only thing I can think of other than bearings and belts is be sure the monitor works properly and if you do buy it wire the monitor directly to the battery with heavy gauge wire. They draw a lot of current when they tie and it can cause the monitor to go wonky. They will eat hay. The silage special will have the MegaWide pickup and I think it's a heavier pickup than the New Holland that will last longer and feed more even with the rotor than the New Holland with that stuffer affair. Nothing wrong with a NH but I really like the Deere. You won't be disappointed with the 457.

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